Senator Arlen Specter, while having moved to the left on many issues, is still holding onto his Republican roots on issues like the Flat Tax (ick), Miranda Rights (sometimes he’s not a fan), EFCA (no card check), and not debating Sestak (fine, it’s not a conservative thing, but still).
Today, I had a chance to be on call with him. My plan is to ask him to explain why he thinks a progressive tax (our current system) is bad. While I don’t think his flat tax proposal will ever succeed, I find it disturbing and even dangerous that a Senator, especially a Democratic one, supports a policy that so heavily favors the right and so heavily punishes the poor and middle class. The tax would be on earned income. Some rich people, especially those who are trust fund babies and exclusively make money by playing the stock market, wouldn’t pay a dime in taxes at all. This is not healthy for America.
Talking Points Memo, FireDogLake, PoliticsPa.com and Pa2010.com were represented, among others.
Forgive the choppiness. Just so everybody knows, most of what Specter said, I transcribed. Some might be slight paraphrase and I’ve omitted what I couldn’t get (the call dropped a few times). Despite this, it should be relatively close to his exact wording.
Questions are in bold. Answers are in Italics. My thoughts are in normal.
Here’s the report:
Specter began by saying he believes we have a good chance to get a health care bill. He signed onto the reconciliation letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid. Reconciliation has been used often, he said, like with SCHIP, Medicare Advantage, COBRA, and Welfare Reform. Thursday’s forum that Obama is holding will likely be a factor in the process.
The cloture vote on the jobs bill was very significant and he’s happy to see the new Massachusetts Senator, Scott Brown, buck his party and vote for cloture, which is a sign that he’ll be responding to his constituents.
From me: Many in the progressive community, including myself, have been critical of your flat tax proposal. Rather than explaining why the flat tax is good, would you mind explaining why you think exactly the progressive tax and taxes on capital gains are bad?
The flat tax has appeal because it would vastly simplify the cost of filing returns. Est. are 250 billion to 3 times that. Tax simplification has not gone anywhere. Flat tax can be utilized so that people in lower brackets don’t pay taxes. If there’s no tax simplification, then you do have to have a progressive income tax. There are some very significant areas where capital gains are recorded to Wall Street transactions which really are not in aligned with the concept of a capital asset.
This answer was frustrating, because it did exactly what I tried to head off. I didn’t want to hear why a flat tax was good, I wanted to hear why he thought a progressive tax is bad. But he did just say that if taxes aren’t simple, there has to be a progressive tax. Rich people use complex financial transactions to pillage the poor, so, hey, a complex system of taxing them sounds about right. Also, I hate to say this, but I didn’t understand his final sentence.
Question (not sure who from): What’s your reaction to the Toomey-Sestak debate? Any concern that he’s giving Toomey undue publicity?
The tradition is to have only one debate and that’s a tradition worth following and we have a debate scheduled that will be televised in every market in the state. Tradition and institutional practice are safe ground. I can’t control that (Toomey publicity). The business of building a professional reputation in politics and government and tough to do. I think it’ll be a boost in my opponent’s exposure. That’s why I’m prepared to have a debate, but to maintain the tradition. He went on to say bloggers are an intellectual group and he’s always up for questions.
Specter is definitely open to questions from us bloggers. He is, however, ducking the debate not out of tradition, but out of calculated politics. A debate on Meet the Press, which he turned down, would’ve given Sestak a very broad audience. Sestak’s name recognition is still low.
PoliticsPa.com: You were hesitant on reconciliation with health care at first. Why change your mind?
I did so after researching precedent and saw that it was used very broadly. I always said it would be a last, last resort. Well, it’s been a year, and it’s at that point. Millions aren’t covered. People who have insurance are paying too much. It’s time to move ahead and govern. The public reaction to Washington is understandably abysmal.
Specter has been in Washington for decades. He shouldn’t need to research whether or not reconciliation has been used. He should simply know. But this isn’t a big deal, at least he’s on board.
TPM: You signed onto the Public Option letter to Sen. Reid. Press Secretary Gibbs said the votes aren’t there in the House for it. How hard is the [Congressional] leadership and the White House working for the public option?
It should be done but it’s a long shot. The town meetings in August, including the notorious one in Lebanon he had, convinced people it’s a government takeover, even though it’s not. But it’s still in play and should be pushed for.
This doesn’t address the question, so I’m left wondering what his sense of the White House and Senate leadership’s feelings are.
Firedoglake: Polling shows Public Option is popular around the country. Are you expressing what colleagues are saying?
The view is that it’s a government takeover. I’m aware of the polls you described, but I don’t know that they’re accurate. In the Democratic caucus, the majority favor public option, but quite a few dissented. It’s over the concern over the inclusiveness of government. The idea of intrusiveness isn’t discussed by the Democratic Caucus, but people feel that way.
I’m glad the caucus doesn’t discuss intrusiveness. It means they understand that it isn’t really intrusive. In fact, it’s far less intrusive than Medicare. And also, who cares if it’s intrusive? Why would people rather private industry either be intrusive or drive them into poverty? I’m also not sure why Specter would call the polls illegitimate. Maybe he’s so isolated in Congress he doesn’t believe scientifically conducted polls in the face of loud, angry, and ignorant Teabagging Republicans. That’s probably true of many Democrats in Congress, which is probably why they’re more interested in acting like scared pansies instead of passing meaningful legislation. To Specter’s credit, he is not a pansy, as he signed the reconciliation letter. Actually, since he believes that the public is against the public option, even though they aren’t, he could be viewed as brave, since he’s going against what he thinks the public feels.
American Prospect: Where do you stand on the Consumer Financial Protection Agency? How can we get it passed?
It’s very important and it’s a matter of getting to it, but we sat around all day doing nothing because of Republican obstruction. Wall Street makes recommendations to investors, then sells short which isn’t good.
He also said he supports the Volker Rule. That’s a tad too complex to get in now. Suffice it to say it’s a good thing, as is the CFPA. Consumers need more protection from corporate greed.
PoliticsPA: What do you think the public reaction to reconciliation will be?
A good bit of the public won’t understand the technicalities and nuances. We wouldn’t want to get it done through intimidation, extortion, or bribery, but people do want results. Clear cut answers aren’t easy.
PoliticsPA: What do you feel about eliminating the filibuster?
I’m not ready to do that just yet.
PoliticsPA: What about the proposal to change the number of votes for cloture?
That wouldn’t work. I don’t think it would safeguard the traditional role of the filibuster. Somehow we were able to get through, it was tough in 2005, but we’ll get through it again if we’re pragmatic and principled.
Specter closed by saying he wants the gridlock in Congress to end. The President and presidency are weakened and it’s having a large impact. People are really questioning the capability of our form of government. In talking to people outside of the country.
All in all, the call was very informative, even if I didn’t get my question answered the way I would’ve liked. It’s nice that he took the time to confront a group of people who tend to be hostile to him (it seemed, during both calls I was on, like the FireDogLake people didn’t love him all that much).
Thanks to Senator Specter for taking the time!